Why We Fight-A Response to James Altucher
- Posted by Jeff Carter
- on May 30th, 2011
On Memorial Day, James Altucher wrote a blog post asking if there was a single war that was worth it. I think to ask that question is to set up a straw man that can easily be torn down, but it’s the incorrect question and way to view war.
The better question is this one: Is there a war that we fought that we didn’t try and avoid, and defending the cause of freedom and our Constitution?
Our confederation of independent states won a war against England and became a country. The ideals elucidated in the Constitution turned into the greatest country mankind has ever seen. People are free. There are no dictators. There is peaceful transfer of power. America went from a nation simply trying to survive to the richest nation in the history of mankind. We sought to avoid that war, but were left with no choice-remain subjects of the English king, or fight.
No nation has spent more money, or spent more lives in the cause of freedom.
Since that first war, we have fought many more. Initially, they were wars that fought to preserve the independence that we gained from the first war. The War of 1812, the Barbary Coast War. In these wars we were left with no choice, fight or lose freedom.
But then, we fought with ourselves. Certainly the Civil War was a war that we tried to avoid. It could have totally been avoided if the forefathers ended slavery in the formation of the country. Unfortunately, that was the only blemish on the incorporation of our country. The Civil War began a theme in America. Sometimes we fight to free people when they can’t fight that fight themselves.
James doesn’t talk about these wars, but instead focuses on the 20th Century and our recent engagement in Afghanistan and Iraq. In every one of those conflicts, America tried to stay out of it. In World War One, we stayed out until the Lusitania was sunk. In World War Two, we helped Great Britain out, but stayed out of armed conflict until December 7, 1941. A full two years after Germany invaded the Sudatenland. In Korea, we fought to preserve the freedom of a nation that couldn’t defend itself against communism. Check out this photo. Ask a South Korean if they were happy the US fought for them? Ask them if it was a waste.
Vietnam started out as a repeat of Korea, but we botched it horribly. Might agree with James on Vietnam. But, I’d ask the people from Vietnam that became a Vietnamese diasapora, free in other countries all over the world if it was worth it.
In Desert Storm, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, we tried to avoid them. If Hussein would have left Kuwait peacefully, we would never have invaded in 1991. If the terrorists that are hell bent on destroying our way of life would just quit, our guys could come home and we could stop worrying about them.
James also pointed out that the US interned Japanese in World War 2. We did. It was a huge mistake. He points out that civilians die during wars unintentionally. They do. Although in the Iraq War, there has been far less civilian death than in any other war we fought. World War 2 was horrible for deaths of civilians.
In some cases, it’s very difficult for the soldier to know the difference between a person who is trying to harm them and a civilian. If anything, in this war American soldiers have passed up shots rather than shooting, and gotten themselves wounded or killed in the process. I would suggest anyone wondering about that to view the movie Restrepo.
I would also argue when a bunch of terrorists can commandeer a plane and blow up buildings on American soil, our way of life is threatened. It could be argued that we are taking the fight to them, rather than the other way around. I’d much rather not have things like the Patriot Act, airport pat downs and worry every time I got on a bus or subway that some Muslim Extremist was going to blow them up.
Is the loss of human life a waste? It sure feels like it in hindsight. Every one of the 2500 that were killed in the rush to the beach on D-Day could have been saved had Hitler just stayed inside the borders of Germany. But had Hitler prevailed, James wouldn’t have had the chance to invest in the businesses he invested in.
Are we left with wounded? Yes we are, and we owe them a debt of gratitude. we can always do more for our wounded vets.
But, when I speak with them, do they think it was a waste? No. They were grateful for the chance to serve.
When I speak to survivors of war, do they think in terms of whether it was worth it or not? No, they never want to fight in a war again. Furthermore, they never want anyone else to fight again. Yet, they know that wars are inevitable.
In the heat of battle, I don’t think that soldiers think about their country. I have been told by them that they only think of saving the one on their right and their left. It’s not about your country at that point, it’s about survival.
James, and people like James will never be convinced that fighting any war is just, or worth it. But, when you look back on human history, certainly many wars were worth it. I cannot think of a time when we went to war without at least thinking seriously about it, and the consequences surrounding it. America doesn’t start battles, it enters them with trepidation. 99.9% of the time it finishes them, and the people that are left have their freedom.
I agree with James sentiment, war is a wasteful thing. We should avoid them at almost all costs. But sometimes, they are unavoidable.
Ask yourself that question. How much would you pay for your own individual freedom?
Hope you had a good Memorial Day.
Tip of the hat to Josh Brown of The Reformed Broker.
The information in this blog post represents my own opinions and does not contain a recommendation for any particular security or investment. I or my affiliates may hold positions or other interests in securities mentioned in the Blog, please see my Disclaimer page for my full disclaimer.
Jeffrey Carter is an angel investor and independent trader. He specializes in turning concepts into profits. He co-founded Hyde Park Angels one of the most active angel groups in the United States in April of 2007. He previously served on the Chicago Mercantile Exchange Board of Directors. He has done market commentary for (More...)
Tags CloudAfrican people Alfred E. Newman AMT Andrew Nagorski Booth School of Business Butter California Chicago Public Schools College jobs Computerized Trading Currencies Damien Oliver Democratic Machine EMH food and drink Garbage Harvey Mansfield Holiday Inn iPod Keynesian Mad Men McDonalds Michigan State Monsanto New York Yankees NPR NYX Ohio Peter Fitzgerald Playboy mansion Prime Brokerage Rate of return Recruiter report setting goals Social+Capital Social Media Square Stacy Keibler Stocks and Bonds USD VC Volcker Rule War on Drugs Weston A Price
Becker Posner Blog
Ben Horowitz Blog
Betting the Business
Black Line Review
Blue Sky Innovation
Both Sides of the Table
Business News Network
Chicago Booth Graduate School of Business
Cooler By The Lake
Daily Economic Release Calendar
Doug Ross @ Journal
Economics of a POW Camp
Foundation for Families
Garden and Gun
George Stigler Institute
Good Beer Hunting
Great Food In Chicago-Steve Dolinsky
Hyde Park Angels
Illinois College of Business
John Taylor's Blog
Legal Issues in Angel Funding
Macroblog-Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta
Microbrews in Chicago
Mike And G
Milton Friedman Institute
National World War Two Museum
Notes From Underground
Ronald Coase Institute
Senate Banking Committee
The Big Picture
The Clubber Fund
The Daily Crux
The Grumpy Economist
The Jack B Show
The Minimalist Trader
The Musings of The Big Red Car
The Polsky Center
The Streetwise Professor
Tough Love Marketing
US Federal Reserve Bank
US House Financial Services Committee
World War Two Blog